that position, he's now brought a lot of republicans along with him to kind of add to the work that john mccain has done, lindsay graham, and that's the position i have always had, that we have to stop illegal immigration at the border. but we have to deal sensibly and humanely with the people who are here. >> finally, let's talk about drones briefly. i can't help thinking when i see this drones debate, had it been a republican president, the democrats would have been all over this. and quite rightly. and i do think the democrats and president obama got off pretty lightly so far. what is your position on this? i mean, at what stage does the drone activity cease to be legitimate targeting of terrorism and become a kind of glorified, very brutal, very lethal fishing expedition? >> well, it has to be done very carefully. very uniquely. you have to be 100% sure you've got the right person and you're not making a mistake. i agree with you completely that if this had been done by george bush or any other republican, we'd be talking about hearings before congress. we would have some people talk